Welcome to The Egg Whisperer Show. The title of today’s show is Reaching Your Peak Fertile Potential with Dr. Lorne Brown. Dr. Brown is the founder of Acubalance Wellness Centre in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. He left his career as a CPA to receive a doctorate of traditional Chinese medicine (TCM) at Vancouver’s International College of Traditional Chinese Medicine, and then continued to pursue training in hypnosis, functional medicine, cold laser therapy, and Psych-K, to allowing him to offer an integrative approach to assist the body’s innate ability to heal pain, digestive disorders, anxiety, hormone imbalances, and reproductive health issues.
Dr. Brown has done a lot of groundbreaking work around laser acupuncture, and I’m truly amazed about his work around that and that’s why I wanted him to join us today. I’m excited to have him here to talk about his practice and experiences.
Dr. Aimee: Welcome, Dr. Brown.
Dr. Lorne Brown: Thank you. I’m excited to talk about the laser. I’m quite passionate about it, so I’m glad that you and I are going to have this conversation today.
Dr. Aimee: Before we get into that, though, tell us about yourself and that transition from CPA to doctor of traditional Chinese medicine. How did that happen?
Dr. Lorne Brown: I know it sounds very different. I always joke, but it’s not a big deal, I used to balance your debits and credits, now I balance your yin and yang. It wasn’t a big leap, it’s all about balance. For my personal experience, I was interested in the sciences. I did a bachelor of science and math. I also wanted some business background. My family are entrepreneurs and my extended family are PhDs and physicians, so I grew up in both worlds.
I developed some health issues in my early university days. They called it IBS, called it chronic fatigue syndrome, called it candida. I did do the western route at the beginning, but I really wasn’t getting better because of a chronic issue. It was Chinese medicine and my body work that resolved it. That happened while I was doing my CPA and becoming a chartered accountant.
Just out of interest, for about 10 years I studied nutrition and what we call alternative medicine. At that time, I was in industry, I was the controller for some of the Ocean Spray growers, the cranberry drink, here in British Columbia. I just decided to go for it, and I went back to school to see if this would be like a hobby or was this something I really wanted to do.
So, that’s how the transition came. It was my experience with the medicine for my own health that made me very intrigued, and now here I am many years later, over 20-some years later, practicing it full-time.
Join Dr. Aimee in The Egg Whisperer SchoolDr. Aimee: Awesome. How did you get interested in treating fertility issues?
Dr. Lorne Brown: I’ll make this story very short as well. When I opened up my practice, I thought I would be working mostly with a lot of digestive health issues, because that’s what got me into medicine. The people that go to health professionals, whether you’re practicing Chinese medicine or conventional western medicine, are women. Not as many men go. In Chinese medicine, we look at the whole. We can’t just focus on your digestive issues. When we do our health history, we always go through the menstrual cycle. As I was treating their issues for digestive issues and IBS, they were noting that their PMS was going away, their menstrual pain, or their menopausal symptoms. I became known as the PMS guy in my city.
Somebody came to me around 2001/2002 who was going through IVF and asked me to support her at the time. She said, “Can you help me during my IVF cycle using acupuncture and herbs?,” and asked if I would follow Randine’s approach. Randine Lewis is the author of The Infertility Cure. Randine was in Houston, I’m in Vancouver. Randine and I became good friends, she was my mentor. Women talk, and by 2004 my practice became focused only on reproductive health. So, it found me, because I didn’t even know what IVF was back in 2002 when that first patient came to me.
Dr. Aimee: Incredible. Now you’re known as being one of the leading natural reproductive wellness clinics specializing in integrated care for fertility, pregnancy, and women’s health. What do you mean when you say natural reproductive wellness clinic, what are you focusing on?
Dr. Lorne Brown: What I mean when I say “natural”, is that we work with the patient as an individual. We’re working with his or her natural or innate ability to heal. The body has this innate ability to heal. The analogy I like to use is when you get cut, you don’t have to sit and look at the cut and say, “Heal, heal, heal.” The body knows what to do, it can self-regulate, it has this innate ability to heal.
But if you get a really good gash or cut, you may get stitches. That thread doesn’t do the healing, it creates an environment to support the body’s innate ability to heal. It brings the tissue together by creating that environment that supports the body to heal. That’s what we’re doing from that natural approach, we’re supporting the body on a cellular level, that environment, so it can function optimally and return to its ability to self-regulate and heal.
Dr. Aimee: I know you also have what you call the healthy baby approach. What does your approach mean for patients and how do patients reach their peak fertility potential?
Dr. Lorne Brown: The idea behind the healthy, again, me liking math, so there’s an equation, healthy baby equals healthy egg plus healthy sperm plus healthy uterine environment.
I want to focus on what we really want. Women that come to me don’t really want to get pregnant, actually. They want a healthy baby. They don’t want to get to IVF transfer day. They want to have a healthy baby. They don’t want to just freeze their eggs. They’re doing it because they want a healthy baby. So, our focus is on a healthy baby.
Whether that happens in a lab, like your clinic, or it happens in the bedroom, our goal is a healthy baby. We do that by maximizing the egg quality, the sperm quality, and the uterine receptivity. This is that idea behind getting to your peak fertility potential.
How I share this with the women I see is I use a metaphor around gardening. If you had a plant that you neglected and it looked a little worse for wear, oftentimes you can regain its vigor by maybe taking it out of direct sunlight, adding some fertilizer, increasing the water, giving it water. This plant regains its vigor and gives off fruits and flowers. This plant always had the potential to give off fruits and flowers. We didn’t do donor roots, we didn’t swap out the roots. The plant always had the potential. It was the soil in which the plant was in that was suboptimal, and therefore preventing the plant from reaching its potential.
In Chinese medicine they say nourish the soil before you plant the seed. We’re trying on a cellular level to improve that cellular environment on the organism, so trillions of cells, the human being, and particularly that follicle cell, the follicle that is going to support the egg cell so that egg can reach its peak potential at the time of ovulation, or if it’s in an IVF setting, at egg pick up. The same thing for the sperm, at the time of intercourse or at the time giving the sample for that IVF when you’re going to do the insemination. Our goal is to get the sperm and egg at its peak fertility potential.
Dr. Aimee: I think you also need to not just have the healthy baby approach trademarked, but maybe “laser baby” approach. I think a lot of why we connected and what brought me to invite you as a special guest on the show is because of the video that I saw on Facebook about your work with laser acupuncture and fertility. I know from digging in a bit more that you use lasers in several ways to help patients reach their peak potential. To start at a very basic level for people who have no idea what I’m talking about, how does this work?
Dr. Lorne Brown: I came into using laser treatments for fertility in Japan in the ‘90’s. I learned this from a medical doctor, Dr. Ohshiro, who was using laser treatments for pain. He was treating a woman in menopause, age 55, with back pain. He resolved her back pain, but her menstrual cycle came back, which she actually wasn’t quite pleased about, that wasn’t her focus for that treatment. After a week, the bleeding stopped, and then it returned four weeks later, and it did this for a series of cycles for months.
He just dismissed it, until it happened again with another woman in menopause. He talked to one of his colleagues in the OBGYN department, and they did a pilot study looking at 74 women whose English translation was severe infertility, average age of 39. They put them through a series of laser treatments and then they looked at what changed. In those 74 women, there was about a 22% pregnancy rate and 68% live birth rate. So, they extended that study and they got 701 women. Again, it was similar, 22% pregnancy rate and about 50% live birth rate.
What they thought was happening, one of the mechanisms behind the laser is that they increase the blood flow to the ovaries, and if you bring more blood flow to the ovaries, more nutrients, more oxygen, hormones, removing waste. Because as women age, the blood flow to the reproductive systems declines, so that was one of the reasons they thought.
A group in Denmark, started doing more local work with the laser, and a more powerful laser that covered more area. Again, it’s not research but self-reporting,higher pregnancy rates were claimed.
Then I talked to other experts in the area doing the laser. I got a translator to connect me with a group in Japan, Dr. In Nakamura’s clinic, they were combining acupuncture with laser. They have 10 years of data, and they were showing that women that did laser after some unsuccessful IVFs and then they did three to six months of laser therapy were doubling the blastocyst rates, getting them to day five embryos.
What’s the mechanism behind this? There’s a couple. One is that a laser is known to increase blood flow to the reproductive system, just like acupuncture can, just like stress reduction can support that.
One of the things that I think is one of the major reasons is it regulates inflammation. Inflammation also can be called inflammaging, we have this accelerated biological aging. Two 40-year-olds aren’t equal. Chronologically they’re both 40, but biologically one could be behaving like 50 and the other one is behaving like 40. We want to change this accelerated biological aging that leads to degenerative diseases and, I’d say, premature fertility decline.
Laser is very good at regulating inflammation, which is being tied into many diseases. There is some discussion now about this unexplained infertility, recurrent pregnancy loss, PCOS, and inflammation, we know it in endometriosis. Its ability to regulate inflammation and its systemic effect is probably one of the main reasons it’s working right now clinically.
The other big factor related to laser is that it has been shown to improve mitochondrial function. The mitochondria are the batteries of the cells. With age related fertility, a lot of the issue is the division of the egg that doesn’t have the energy to do this, and then when the chromosomes from the man and the woman come together the energy is not there, so we have chromosomal issues, abnormal embryos, and then it doesn’t have the power to divide in the fallopian tube or in your lab, and doesn’t have the energy to implant. If we can improve that mitochondrial function, the battery of the cell, then there’s more energy for the cell division.
Going back to our analogy of nourishing the soil before you plant the seed, we’re very aware that plants take sunlight, photosynthesis, and convert that into energy. Human beings take this red and infrared light on a cellular level and we can turn that into energy. It’s one of the reasons women and men will take coenzyme Q10, it’s this nice antioxidant to improve mitochondrial function, the battery of the cells. Laser is another way to do that.
That’s what I think is really exciting in the fertility world is we know there are some mitochondrial issues in a lot of our fertility cases, so if we can find something to improve mitochondrial function the hope is we’ll have better reproductive outcomes and that healthy baby.
Dr. Aimee: I bought a laser. I just don’t know if it’s the right one. I want to show it to you. Is this like what you’re talking about?
Dr. Lorne Brown: Not exactly. Those are LEDs, and that is low level light therapy. People might have heard of it in the old days as a cold laser. What is it? The laser I’m talking about is non ionizing nonthermal light therapy. That can be through LEDs, which you have, or lasers. We’re using the spectrum of infrared and red, so there’s a wavelength that we’re using.
It’s nonionizing, that’s good, non-cancer-causing. The power is non-heating, so it’s not the lasers that women would go for hair removal, or it’s not the laser that you use in surgery, it’s not going to cut you. It went from a cold laser, cold because it doesn’t heat up the tissue. It’s warm, but cold meaning that it’s not a hot laser like you use in surgery. Then the terminology became LLLT, low level light therapy. Emphasizing low power, not going to cut or burn you. Now the scientific terminology is photobiomodulation, because it’s photons, which you can get from either LEDs or lasers, photons on the biology and we’re making changes.
Right now, the real therapeutic systems out there, I have them in my clinic, they range from $7,000 to my most expensive system is $40,000. The average ones we have are $26,000. We have different systems I’ve been playing with. Remember my background in math? It comes down to joules, how much energy I’m putting to the surface, or how much exposure the blood is getting to these photons. We have different systems and I play with the math to make it do the same thing.
These home systems are beneficial. I have a home system. My mother-in-law uses it all the time for her aches and pains and stuff. My kids use the low level laser therapy, these LEDs. If you’re the public and you buy one of these systems for $500 to $2,000, yes, put it on your body every day.
That’s the systemic effect you’re getting, the inflammation, and it can benefit the whole body. If you’re putting it on your elbow and you have a sore elbow on both sides, even doing one side. I was working with a woman who had rheumatoid arthritis. All of her joints were painful, but with the system we could only focus on her worst one, her right knee. All of her joints benefitted even though we were focusing just on the right knee.
Will it bring the blood flow to the ovaries? Maybe, maybe not. It’s just not got the power to go. Wavelength lets you go depth and power is how many joules you’re going to get, power and time. I think with these home systems, you’re really going to help with regulating inflammation, which is huge, it’s actually very beneficial.
Will you get enough light to the ovaries, these photons? No. Even with my systems that are super expensive, I’m still doubtful we’re getting light to the ovaries because there’s only so much penetration these photons can get to. It’s not just getting photons to the ovaries, it’s do you get enough to make a therapeutic effect.
I think with the strong laser systems I have, we’re helping blood flow locally and we’re helping systemic inflammation. I feel pretty good about that. I’m hoping we get to the mitochondria, but I’m not sure if we can. There are so many things that are going to absorb the light on the way there. The intestines get in the way, there’s tissue. In a textbook, here’s where your ovaries are, but when you open up the anatomy, they’re moved all over the place. Things pull on them and they’re not always where you think they are.
To answer that question specifically, be careful before you start buying all of these home systems thinking they’re going to be the magic bullet. Even with really good laser systems that I have, there is no magic bullet. You still need the diet, you still need adequate rest, moderate exercise, and good sleep, stress reduction stuff, there’s supplements, there’s acupuncture herbs, and you still do all of that with the laser and you still may have to do IVF or donor eggs.
Again, our goal is always to have a healthy baby. There is nothing that I have come across that if you do this it will work. I haven’t found anything like that. It’s tipping the scales in favor of a healthy baby. This is another noninvasive system that will benefit you on a cellular level.
When we put it over the abdomen, we now know the microbiome in the gut likes that. We know how poor microbiome health impacts the body health. We’ve used our laser therapy for interstitial cystitis, so we’re using that for pain and inflammation. We like it for our PCOS patients. We like it for our patients with endometriosis. We’ve used it with men as well. I’ve gone in and experimented a little bit with one of the IVF clinics where I lasered sperm in the petri dish and we looked at it to see how the motility picked up after lasering it.
We’re still in the infancy of understanding it, but right now it’s another tool, like CoQ10, like diet, like acupuncture, like Maya massage, it’s another tool to support you. For women trying to conceive, you’re looking at all of your tools. There are things that are noninvasive, more of what we call on the natural side, meaning non pharmaceutical and nonsurgical. Right up to egg freezing for women that aren’t ready to have children. A lot of them have the opportunity to freeze these eggs so they don’t have to marry the next guy, they can wait and marry the right guy, because their eggs will remain at that age they froze them at. So, there’s lots of opportunity.
Dr. Aimee: What does the laser look like? How do treatments work with your clinic? I know you combine the laser with acupuncture as well. Can you talk me through a fertility patient who reaches out to you and wants to see you, what can they expect in terms of frequency of visits, actually what the visit entails, and how they’ll feel afterward?
Dr. Lorne Brown: Great question. First of all, what we’re doing in our clinic, and Nakamura’s clinic, and the clinics in Denmark that I connected with where they have collected some data, is it seems the best dosage is three times a week, two weeks leading up to ovulation.
You really want to ideally, if time and money is not an issue, get at least six treatments leading up to ovulation, from bleeding to ovulation. That seems to be ideal. Some people do it twice a week, some people do it once a week, but I think that’s probably the ideal for getting the best therapeutic results.
Looking at Nakamura Clinic in Japan and even what we see, usually it’s three to six months. It’s not like you do one cycle and everything is great. Usually, if you’ve been doing this for six full months and still nothing has happened, then there’s a chance that you’re one of those people that we may not be able to help. There are people that we’ve worked with over six months and then it helped. So, there is no average person, but I’m giving you the average idea.
What does it look like for a patient coming to Acubalance here in Vancouver, and what a lot of people that are practicing integrative fertility care? We do a health history. In our clinic, we call it the fertility audit, because I’m a CPA and I like to dig. We do the western tests like you do, plus we’ll go a little bit more into the functional medicine testing.
We’re looking for those subtle things that may be throwing the body out of balance. We don’t have in my clinic powerful tools like you have, ovulation drugs or IVF, to override the body, so we’re looking for the body to have its ability to self-regulate that innate ability to heal, so we’re looking for subtle things that could be throwing the body off balance.
We are integrative here, so we work closely with the IVF clinic here in Vancouver. We send patients for hysteroscopies, for hysterosalpingograms, for RPL workups. It’s great, they get all of that. In Canada, that stuff is covered under our medical system. Then things that the system won’t cover, where we do our fertility audit, then they can order those tests as well.
Then we go through their history. The man usually needs to be involved. I don’t know how you see it in your practice, but men don’t seem to be involved enough. It does take two to make a baby. We usually see the female and we remind them to get your partner in there if you’re with a male partner.
Then there’s dietary, we work on the diet. I’ll let you know that over 10 years ago I wrote the Acubalance Fertility Diet. Me and Dr. Kali MacIsaac, our naturopathic physician, just rewrote it with better recipes. That is available for free on the Acubalance website. So, diet is a big part of it.
We’ll use supplements, so nutraceuticals. We’ll use Maya massage maybe. Maybe naturopathic medicine, nutritional IV therapy, and then acupuncture, laser, and sometimes Chinese herbs.
They would be coming in anywhere from once a week to three times a week. I would say in our clinic the average is twice a week for at least one to two cycles, and then usually we’re able to reduce it down to once a week. They’re working on their diet, they’re working on the mind-body stuff, they’re exercising, they’re finding time for rest. So, we’re working on all of the things that you can control as the patient and then we’re adding things to it, and we’re working with the IVF clinic.
It was our clinic here in Vancouver that got acupuncture on-site actually at all the IVF clinics here in Vancouver. We were the ones that started it and got thrown out in the beginning, nobody wanted it in 2002. Now every clinic has their acupuncturists on site and we’re with all of them.
It’s integrative. We talk about the healthy baby approach. Somebody comes in and they haven’t seen somebody like you, Dr. Aimee, we let them know that this is what we can do, and then we let them know are you aware of IVF, ICSI, genetic screening, egg freezing, donor egg. They usually say, “I don’t want to use donor eggs.” Nobody wants to do it, but some people will need to do it to have a family.
We let them know everything that’s available to them. We let them know how we can help maximize their egg quality, sperm quality, uterine receptivity. Then we’ll refer them to the fertility clinic to get all the western workups. It’s truly integrative. The same thing when patients go to the fertility clinic and they want some integrative care or they’ve had unsuccessful genetically screened embryos not implant, often they refer them to us to work with us before they do their next transfer.
Dr. Aimee: Why do you feel acupuncture has impacted outcomes for patients, and what’s the science behind that?
Dr. Lorne Brown: Again, it’s another way to nourish the soil. One of the main things is that acupuncture increases blood flow to the reproductive system. As women age, blood flow is decreased. If we can bring more blood to the follicles, then we bring more nutrients, we bring more hormones, we bring more oxygen, if you’re doing an IVF hopefully more IVF drugs to the follicles, and we carry away waste.
Acupuncture has been shown to help reduce the effects of stress to get you into that parasympathetic nervous system. The parasympathetic is that rest and digest, breed and feed system, emphasis on breed. If you’re in this fight or flight stress response all the time, blood is diverted from your reproductive system, diverted from digestion so you can survive. Energy is mobilized for survival, so it’s not available for healing and reproduction. Engaging the parasympathetic system, the rest and digest nervous system, we indirectly bring blood flow back. It directly does it anyhow, but indirectly through that.
Those stress hormones here and there are great, it keeps you alive. But if you’re constantly having your car with the RPMs at 7 driving, you’re going to burn out the engine. That’s inflammation in the body. Acupuncture is helping you regulate that stress response. You’re taking your foot off the gas and letting you have the brakes on, and that’s beneficial.
Then there are many other things. It increases endorphins. It helps regulate the hormones in the body. We see this with the women that notice their PMS is resolved, their menstrual pain changes, their cycle becomes more regular if they’re not ovulating regularly, less clotting in the blood flow. There’s that hormonal balance regulating the hypothalamus-pituitary-ovarian axis. Those are some of the science behind why it can work.
Then looking at some of the IVF studies where they look at acupuncture on transfer day, they really are mixed. To be realistic, to expect one treatment to fix everything is like somebody with cardiovascular issues and you get them a trainer, you get them a chef and you cook for them one day, they eat healthy and they exercise that day, and then in two weeks you expect their blood levels to change. No. We know exercise and diet is an intervention for this and if they did this over time, we would see those things change.
When you look at a lot of these meta-analyses now in acupuncture on transfer day, what they’re showing is dosage matters. Even one of the studies that was recently done out of Australia where it didn’t show a change on transfer day, when they opened up the data and they looked at women that did treatments leading up to transfer, at minimum of three, they did have a higher pregnancy rate.
In our practice, we didn’t do a study, but the fertility clinic wanted to see what we were doing for uterine receptivity, so they looked at two years of our data, only at frozen embryo transfers that were genetically screened. They just wanted to see if there was a difference. The reason they wanted to look at the genetically screened embryo transfers is they didn’t want to have any aneuploidy embryos, the embryos that would not implant or miscarry anyhow, let’s take those out.
It’s not research. They didn’t compare groups, they just looked at two years of data. What are you doing, is this helping or hurting our patients. We had a trend of higher pregnancy rate and lower miscarriage rate for the people that had the Acubalance treatment. Then when we looked at the group more, we saw that if they had seven or more treatments leading up to the transfer plus on-site transfer, then it was even higher pregnancy, lower miscarriage rate.
Just an aside, somebody says why don’t you study that. We were. We got approval from ethics, it took us a year, we wrote, they got a grant. We were starting to recruit, and then COVID happened. We’re still in COVID restrictions here. We were going to do a study around it, because we saw that there was a change, we wanted to do an actual feasibility study, which we never got off the ground. We’ll probably have to start that all over again if the world ever becomes normal again.
Dr. Aimee: I hope so. You mentioned the fertility clinic near you that you work with will refer you to patients after an unsuccessful cycle. For me, I integrate acupuncture from the very beginning and talk to my patients about the things that you’ve brought up from the very beginning. I’d love to hear from your experiences what kind of successes you’ve had with patients who might have been seen as poor responders and what you’ve seen for them after the clinic refers the patient to you after an unsuccessful cycle.
Dr. Lorne Brown: We’ve seen some positive changes, but we haven’t done research. I only see the people that I see, so I don’t have a group to compare it to from a science perspective. Like anything, I see some that come and work with us and they don’t get the take home baby. Then we see some where they have repeated failed IVF cycles and then we work with them, and then they do get pregnant.
Natural pregnancy we see, where they’re getting ready for the next IVF and they conceive naturally, and we also see them have a better IVF response. Even though they’re older, they have a better IVF response. But we don’t just do one thing. we’re doing the diet, we’re doing the laser, we’re doing the herb supplements. Then at home some people are taking supplements and some are not, some are following the diet and some are not.
But yes, we have seen cases. We’ve seen cases where men had their semen analysis so poor that they do ICSI and it’s unsuccessful, they send them to us because now they need ICSI to bypass the male factor. We work with the guy for three to six months, and we’ve seen cases where the next semen analysis is good where they say don’t even do ICSI yet, try naturally for a couple of months, and this couple goes on to conceive naturally.
So, yes, we do see some people where we make a difference. What I think in my head, if your batteries are wearing out, you have low mitochondria, and we do these treatments where you have poor blood flow, I think you’re the one we’re going to see a difference. But if you have good blood flow and your mitochondria are fine, you’re the person that may not benefit.
We don’t really have great ways or inexpensive ways to measure the mitochondria health or all of the inflammation that’s going on in the body. They don’t do it here, but some clinics use the color Doppler for blood flow. If they have poor blood flow, if there’s impediments there, then they’ll send them to acupuncture.
For us, you come, and we’ll assume everything could be out of balance, or let’s just do everything we can to help you. If we can test where there’s issues, obviously then we really address it. To answer your question, yes, we definitely have lots of stories, thousands of babies, that we’ve helped naturally and with IVF. But I don’t have any group to compare it to, so I’m assuming we’re helping, but if you’re asking me do you know or do you have the data, that I don’t have.
Dr. Aimee: I appreciate your honesty. I love all of your analogies and how you talk about acupuncture and laser treatment and everything you do. I’m excited to share all of the resources that you’ve shared with us on today’s interview in the article that’s going to go along with the show, including links to your clinic, links to the book that you mentioned about nutrition and recipes. I think people really want to get advice from experts around this, and I feel like you’re definitely someone. With the thousands of babies born from treatments over the last 20 years that you’ve been doing this, it sounds like you’re the best person to be guiding us on this as well.
Thank you. Is there anything else that you want to add today?
Dr. Lorne Brown: I just want to remind you to nourish the soil before you plant the seed. Do what you can to support your body to be in its best health. There is no downside. If you do all of this and you don’t get the baby, you don’t regret it. If you all of a sudden are sleeping better, you have more energy, your digestion is good, you’re happy about that. Nourish the soil before you plant the seed.
Then just the perspective, because I’ve been doing this since 2000, seeing how IVF success rates have increased over those last 20-some years, seeing how technology has gone from day three fresh cycles to day five frozen and day six/seven frozen, and the genetic screening, it’s a great opportunity to be able to be alive because there are so many things now available for you to have the best chance of conception. Do your homework. Be kind to yourself. I wish you the best of luck.
Dr. Aimee: I love everything that you said. Thanks, Lorne. Where can people find you if they want to learn more?
Dr. Lorne Brown: I’m in Vancouver. Our clinic is at Acubalance.ca. On that website is the fertility diet for free with recipes that you can download. That’s the best way to check out our blogs, we’re constantly putting information, there’s videos about the laser for fertility.
Acubalance.ca. There’s many Acubalances in the world now. When we established it in 2000, people liked the name, so they’re everywhere. They’re not affiliated with us, although they have our name. We’re the only Acubalance in Vancouver doing what we’re doing. Other Acubalances have no affiliation with us.
Dr. Aimee: Thank you for your time and thank you for joining us. Hopefully we’ll have you back on to talk about the study that you’re going to be doing very soon once we’re back to normal.
Dr. Lorne Brown: And I’d like to have you on. I have a YouTube channel called Fertility Now where we drop short simple effective videos, which when watching what you do, you would fit in perfectly. We have to get you on my Fertility Now YouTube channel so people can learn more about what you’re offering and doing as well.
Dr. Aimee: Thank you. I appreciate it and I’m looking forward to it. Have a great day.
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